As we discussed earlier this week, âhaving it allâ is a deeply flawed concept (from its limitations to mostly upper middle class white women to the fact that having it all was never intended to beâŚa thing to begin with). And while most of the discussions weâre having at this point are more meta than actual, itâs hard to stop internalizing the fact that we should at least be trying to have it all (or, do it all, as it were.) So today, as a reminder that sometimes goal digging isnât the only thing to set our sights set on (sometimes nap digging is a thing too), weâre kicking off this month with fifteen badass, successful women, talking about why having it all is totally bullshit. Just in case you ever forget:
Gloria Steinem, Journalist and Activist:
âGuilt is a way of getting a group to conform; you get them to oppress themselves by making them feel guilty. In the earlier stages of feminism, women were told they could not be whatever it was they wanted to be. After women became those things anyway, then society said, âAll right, youâre now a lawyer or a mechanic or an astronautâbut thatâs only OK if you continue to do the work you did beforeâif you take care of the children, cook three meals a day, and are multiorgasmic until dawn.ââ
Ruth Bader Ginsburg, U.S. Supreme Court Justice:
âYou canât have it all at once. Over my lifespan, I think I have had it all. But in different periods of time, things were rough.â
Shonda Rhimes, Writer, Director, and Producer:
ââShonda, how do you do it all?â The answer is this: I donât. Whenever you see me somewhere succeeding in one area of my life, that almost certainly means I am failing in another area of my life. If I am killing it on a Scandal script for work, I am probably missing bath and story time at home. If I am at home sewing my kidsâ Halloween costumes, Iâm probably blowing off a rewrite I was supposed to turn in. If I am accepting a prestigious award, I am missing my babyâs first swim lesson. If I am at my daughterâs debut in her school musical, I am missing Sandra Ohâs last scene ever being filmed at Greyâs Anatomy. If I am succeeding at one, I am inevitably failing at the other. That is the tradeoff. That is the Faustian bargain one makes with the devil that comes with being a powerful working woman who is also a powerful mother. You never feel a hundred percent OK; you never get your sea legs; you are always a little nauseous. Something is always lost. Something is always missing.â
Melanie Healey, Former President of Proctor & Gambleâs North America Division:
âThe choice not to have it all, far from being defeatist, is extremely liberating. Slugging through a decade of work but losing touch with your family and friends or with your community creates its own sense of failure.â
Kirsten Gillibrand, Senator:
âI think itâs insulting. What are you âhaving?â A party? Another slice of pie? âAllâ implies that a woman staying home with her kids is somehow living a life half-full. What weâre really talking about is doing it all. How do we help women do all the things they want to do?â
Indra Nooyi, CEO of PepsiCo.:
âI donât think women can have it all. I just donât think so. We pretend we have it all. We pretend we can have it all. My husband and I have been married for thirty-four years. And we have two daughters. And every day you have to make a decision about whether you are going to be a wife or a mother, in fact many times during the day you have to make those decisions. And you have to co-opt a lot of people to help you. We co-opted our families to help us. We plan our lives meticulously so we can be decent parents. But if you ask our daughters, Iâm not sure they will say that Iâve been a good mom. Iâm not sure. And I try all kinds of coping mechanisms.â
Dee Dee Myers, First Female White House Press Secretary:
âNo one can have it all. Any woman or man in the throes of a career with kids at home will tell you, nobody has it all. One of the things that has been accidental is that my husband [editor and writer Todd Purdum] doesnât travel as much for his job which gives me flexibility to travel more. When I have been busier he has stepped up, and when he has been busier I have stepped up. For him to be at [his previous role at] the New York Times at a daily job covering the White House and for me to work at Warner Bros., that would have been impossible for us. Our family comes first. When [the children] were younger, I worked from home for a lot of years. They are ten and fourteen now, and it is much easier than it was ten years ago. My career has had chapters, and my husbandâs career has had chapters, and we have figured out ways to mesh those in a way that has mostly worked. Sometimes it has worked more smoothly than others. We certainly donât think we have it all. Taking a moment to be grateful in spite of the challenges can be helpful.
Sheryl Sandberg, COO of Facebook:
âHaving it all is the worst. No matter how much we all have and how grateful we are for what we have, no one has it all, because we all make tradeoffs every single day, every single minute.â
Lindy West, Writer:
ââLet us rediscover the pursuit of happiness,â [Anne-Marie] Slaughter says [in âWhy Women Still Canât Have It Allâ], âand let us start at home.â Thatâs the most presumptuous line in the whole article. Maybe some women donât find happiness at home. Maybe some women do find happiness in their careers. Or in unprofitable art. Or in providing for their families. Or in being alone. There isnât a singular goal for any personâman or womanâand yet feminism has sold us this prepackaged notion of success that, when you open it up, is totally undefined. And I think thatâs my main problem with Slaughterâs articleâthat she tries to come to a conclusion about this thing that is almost entirely without definition.â
Madeleine Albright, Former Secretary of State:
âI do think women can have it all, but not all at the same time. Our life comes in segments, and we have to understand that we can have it all if weâre not trying to do it all at once.â
Hillary Clinton, Former Secretary of State:
âI canât stand whining. I canât stand the kind of paralysis that some people fall into because theyâre not happy with the choices theyâve made. You live in a time when there are endless choicesâŚ. Money certainly helps, and having that kind of financial privilege goes a long way, but you donât even have to have money for it. But you have to work on yourselfâŚ. Do something!â
Ilyse Hogue, President of NARAL Pro Choice America:
âI donât think anyone can have it all. Who would want it? Having it all sounds like a lot of maintenance. Life is about priorities and choices, not just ones externally imposed on us as women, but ones we are able to define for ourselves.â
Anne-Marie Slaughter, Former Director of Policy Planning at the State Department; President and CEO of the New America Foundation:
âI still strongly believe that women can âhave it allâ (and that men can too). I believe that we can âhave it all at the same time.â But not today, not with the way Americaâs economy and society are currently structured.â
Maria Shriver, Journalist and Author:
âTelling women that some women âhave it allâ only makes others feel less-than. I think we all have different struggles and issuesâŚ. My mother once said to me, âThereâs a time to mother, a time to be single, a time to work, a time to volunteer, a time to pray, a time to be active, a time to be, a time to do, a time to talk to yourself, and a time to be quiet.â âŚGet up, be grateful, try to center yourself, and try to do your best that day.â
Nora Ephron, Writer and Director:
âSo what are you going to do? This is the season when a clutch of successful womenâwho have it allâgive speeches to women like you and say, to be perfectly honest, you canât have it all. Maybe young women donât wonder whether they can have it all any longer, but in case any of you are wondering, of course you can have it all. What are you going to do? Everything, is my guess. It will be a little messy, but embrace the mess. It will be complicated, but rejoice in the complications. It will not be anything like what you think it will be like, but surprises are good for you. And donât be frightened: you can always change your mind. I know: Iâve had four careers and three husbands.â